'If you are unable to undo the past, nevertheless you have
full dominion over the present. You can straighten your life,
change your attitude, improve your outlook, control your thoughts
and desires, discipline yourself in short, get each day closer to
Does the above give you something to think about? I know I have
a lot of work to do on this person. So what do you say? Let's
give it a try and see if we can't work more in '84 to
better ourselves, think more of others and do as God would have us
I'd like to take this opportunity to wish you all a very
precious, loving New Year. Thank you all for your support and
letters throughout the years. I feel as though I know so many of
you personally perhaps from time to time I may meet some of you, or
talk to you, or at least, I know I hear from you via the mail and
I'd just like to say I treasure these friendships may they
And now on to the wonderful communications that make this
magazine so interesting and keep us like a family.
Sending all the details on his unidentified engine, VINCENT E.
RODERICK, 169 Gorham Road, Scarborough, Maine 04074 is awaiting
'I have been playing with old engines for about four and a
half years and love GEM.
'My unidentified engine has a 4' bore and a 4'
stroke; 18' x 2 1/16' flywheels; 1
1/8' diameter crankshaft and a 4 x 4
7/8' hole in the top of the water hopper.
The flywheels have 'C41' cast on a spoke, the lever holding
the pushrod and roller has 'C34' cast on it; no serial
number to be found. The crank handle is made to flip out of the
flywheel, contacts for ignition are made between collar on push rod
and insulated metal strip on side of the hopper. Engine is fired
with spark plug. Rocker arm is curved to go out around intake valve
stem, connecting rod uses grease cup while main bearings have oil
reservoirs. Governor weights inside the flywheel pivot off two
opposing spokes and look like the ones on the Muncie engine
pictured in C. H. Wendel's American Gasoline Engines Since
1872, p. 320, top right. I would appreciate any help I can get
to identify the make, year, HP, speed and color scheme.
'I also have a 2 HP Thompson air-cooled S/N 4652 with dual
ported exhaust and would like to know the original color
Many thanks for any help, as always looking forward to the next
issue of GEM!
'Have been reading your wonderful magazine for the past
three years,' relates GERALD R. HOWARD, Box 223, 28 W. 3rd
Street Frazeysburg, Ohio 43322, phone 614-828-2944.
'I recently received a small engine 1 cyl. hit and miss. It
has two 14' flywheels. The only markings on it are painted on
the water hopper The word WORK WELL. There are no signs of ever
having any tag on it. Need to know what it is and what color it was
originally. By the way, it does run real well. Also what is HP and
any other details?' (What have we here, fellows? I
don't believe I've ever heard of this one. How about it? Is
'I would like your assistance if possible,' states
RODGER HUTCHINSON, 13 Kalimna Avenue, Horsham 3400, Victoria,
'I have just finished restoring a Gopher engine and would
like to find out where they were made and how old it would be. It
has 33?' flywheels, bore 4 7/8',
stroke 7'. Low tension ignition via batteries and coil,
throttle-governed, unusual petrol carby. Engine No. 3632. Unable to
read HP and speed on engine due to rusty condition when found. Am
interested to hear from anyone.'
'I have recently acquired two hit and miss engines and would
like to ask your readers for help in determining the date of
manufacture of each one. The first is an Economy, Engine No.
261192, RPM 550, HP 2FW, has Wico magneto and spark plug ignition.
The second one is a Little Jumbo, Model P, No. 17347, HP 1, 500 RPM
and has igniter ignition with a Webster magneto. I would also like
to know the original color scheme used on each engine. All letters
will be answered. Thanks for a fine magazine!' (Please
write GLENN BURROUGHS, 75 Hunting Lane, Goode, Virginia 24556
if you can be of some help.)
'This summer I acquired the engine pictured. Maybe somebody
out there can tell me what I have,' exclaims GEO. E. STERLING,
12840 Seminole Blvd., #41G, Largo, Florida 33544.
'It has 10' flywheels with 1' face, a 4' pulley
with 3' face, 3' piston with 7' stroke. Runs with spark
plug and 6 volt battery and coil for a make and break ignition. It
is air-cooled and I bought it for a HP. The former owner says it is
an 'Airtemp' but no one in my acquaintance has ever heard
of this make. There are no numbers that I can find as to serial or
date of mfg.
'I'm a new subscriber to GEM and enjoy
it from cover to cover. Hope you can get me some help.'
(Please let's not disappoint our new buddy in the gas
engine hobbyhelp him if you can; and I know you will.)
Some techniques and pointers on wood sawing come from EDWIN H.
BREDEMEIER, Route 1, Box 13, Steinauer, Nebraska 68441 as he
relates: 'I'm writing to comment on Carl Erwin's letter
in the July/August issue and Darvin Jahnke's letter in the
November/December issue about pulley sizes and saw speeds. I sawed
or buzzed wood for approximately 20 years and my father before me,
with sweep horsepowers.
'We always ran a 30' blade up to near 1000 RPM and a
32' around 900 RPM and a 36' around 750 RPM. We always ran
the saw a few minutes before sawing wood when temperature was below
freezing. We thought that would equalize the tension in the blade.
Saw speeds were determined by the number of teeth. Just at the time
of over speeding a saw, it will have a peculiar sing, we called
'If a saw is run too slow sawing small sticks, the blade
will grab the wood. A saw should never be touched with a file on
the front side of the tooth. That is an old instruction that came
with Cutrie & Disston Simmons blades.
When gumming a saw blade, the front side of the tooth laying a
yard stick should be in line on the back side of the Arbor plate.
Many saw blades were ruined by gummers using a cheap emery wheel.
The best I've found is Carborundum or Norton Wheels; they cut
fast and clean if properly dressed. I've seen blades that were
filed so much on the front side of the tooth that they could be
operated either way.
Cracking blades comes from the blade being cold and the teeth
overheating at the tooth area causing that part to expand and
forming cracks. I've cracked a few because I didn't stop
and sharpen the blade.
'That's my story on wood saws, hope it was some help to
the Gas Buddies.'
Laying a few questions on you and expecting you will help again,
is FRANK MANES, RR1, Box 36, Blanchard, Iowa 51630: 'Since I
grew up riding on a Model D John Deere, I have always had a liking
for the larger standard tread or wheatland tractors built in the
30's. My questions are: Could I please hear from someone who
has operated and IHC W-40 in the field and on the belt? Also the
same about the Case L and Allis Chalmers A telling about how they
performed; fuel consumption and the power they developed.
I have acquired many friends who are interested in the early
tractors and made contact with them through the
GEM. Thank you!' (That's right, many
friends are made and kept through the years via GEM. That makes us
feel right good!)
CEDRIC FARRELL, Route 2, Box 104, Red Wing, Minnesota 55066 sent
us a picture of his engine. 'It originally belonged to Norman
Benidt, east of Goodhue, Minn, and was used for sawing wood,
unloading grain and pumping water. Then for many years it stood in
a wooded area unused, then was purchased by Tim Stenerson, Goodhue,
Minn, who restored it. I purchased it from him. It is a Red Wing
engine but not made by Red Wing Marine; in fact, I can't find
the - of the manufacturer can you help?'
(C. H. Wendel's American Gasoline Engines Since 1872 sheds
some light on this question regarding the Red Wing Motor Company of
Red Wing, Minnesota: 'The company's excursion into
stationary engines was a short one, lasting only a few years. The
very attractive Red Wing engines are rarely found today. Low
production is a major factor, since many of the limited number
built were junked after losing their usefulness. ...It is believed
that Red Wing's stationary engine line actually encompassed
several sizes ranging upward from 1 horsepower, but specific data
has been located only for the 2 and 5 horsepower models.'
Sounds like you've got a real find, Cedric!)
'I hope some of GEM readers will be able to
help me,' relates ORLAN DAGNER, 2662 Willcarleton Drive, Flat
Rock, Michigan 48134.
'I have a United engine with brass tag information: United
Engine Company, Lansing, Michigan USA Type -HP 2 Serial #73648. I
need to know what kind of carburetor it is supposed to have or what
kind I can use. I adapted an updraft carburetor to it, but it will
only fire about four times, no matter what I do. I also would like
to know any information about engine, year made, color, how many
were mfg. and etc. Thanks for your help!'
CHARLES WILSON, 12515 West Graves, Waukegan, Illinois 60087
needs info on a Chatham Grain Grader & Cleaner, hand power or
gas power. If anyone has one would you please let him know.
He adds, 'Thanks for publishing the Maytag serial numbers.
It sure helps collectors date their engines.'
Coming to the readers for assistance is this letter from MIKE
SCHNEIDER, 7621 Tabernacle, Louisville, Ohio 44641: 'I need to
know the original color and pin striping for my 1 HP Hummer gas
engine. Also, on the front of the water hopper is some lettering
which I can't quite figure out. It reads Distributors, Sprenkle
& M York, Pa. Pat June 29th 1915. What word is that beginning
'Having become interested in old engines, I think the
GEM is one fine magazine, with lots of
information. I have ordered things from different ads, that I
can't find elsewhere. I think it is fantastic the way people
share their information.
'I recently came into possession of two old engines which I
need some information on the first one is a 1 HP Root &
Vandervoort S/N AL14246. I need to know the color of engine, the
striping and the age. The second one is Frost King Jr. made by the
John Lauson Mfg. Co. New Holstein, Wisconsin, S/N 26664, 1 HP. What
was the original color and age? Did this engine have a decal on it,
if so where?' (If you can help, write to ARTHUR J. BLACKMORE,
RR2, Elpaso, Illinois 61738.)
'Since I did not receive one single letter as to my
What Is It? question that was in March/April
'83, I have decided to send in two more clearer pictures HOPING
someone can identify it. Any more around like it? Please let me
know,' says ROBERT A. HAMILTON, Route 3, Paris, Ontario, Canada
From across the sea comes this communication from PHILIP JEWELL,
'May Glen', Gilgardra, NSW Australia 2827. 'Recently I
obtained a Reeco-improved Rider-Ericcson Hot Air pumping engine,
size 6 #20837 of 1907 with rolling valve pump. I am presently
restoring this engine and would be very interested in seeing
articles on hot air engines, their operation and -.
(How about it, fellows ?) Also if any of the readers
have information or descriptions on hot air engines, please copy it
and send it to me to help build up a store of information. This
would be greatly appreciated!
In conjunction with my restoration, I have started a register of
all hot air engines of any description in Australia. Anyone with a
hot air engine is invited to write to me with details of the engine
for inclusion in my register. At the present, the register totals
15 confirmed and another 25 I am chasing up for final
JIM TREWARTHA, Box 58, Hazel Green, Wisconsin 53811 has an
engine manufactured by the John Lauson Co. of New Holstein,
Wisconsin. It is a S/N 1751, 450 RPM and 2 HP. It is missing about
everything that could be easily removed. The carburetor is still
there. He would like to correspond with anyone who has one or knows
about an engine like this one. Also would like to know the age. He
is also interested in learning all he can about the Lauson Co. and
will answer all letters. Jim adds:
'I have an Allis-Chalmers Model UC tractor, S/N 4564. I need
to find the year of mfg. for sure. I think it is a '38 or
DAVID LINCOLN, 173 Elizabeth Street, Stratford, Ontario, Canada
needs some information on the following gas engines and is
expecting to hear from you.
1. Waterloo Gasoline Engine Co., Waterloo, Iowa, Type K, S/N
215300, 2 HP, 575 RPM. He is seeking the original color, year of
mfg., striping, if any and color. 2. Meco, 2 HP S/N A2558,
Manufacturers Engine Co., M.O. USA. Desires original color,
striping and color, mag make and location if any and gas tank
location. 3. FH? Briggs and Stratton. Information needed as to year
of mfg., method of starting as there is no provision for a chain
kick start. It has a larger base than most engines he has seen. It
has sloped fins on the cylinder, one push rod operated exhaust
valve, gas tank is in base measuring 8' wide, 11
1/8' long and
'Here is a picture of my 12 HP Majestic engine. I need to
hear from some of your readers as to color, striping and how the
name Majestic was written. Any help will be appreciated and I will
answer all letters.' This plea comes from ROY HOUGH, 12095
Sunfield Road, Sunfield, Michigan 48890.
While you are answering letters, here come some more questions
from HARRY L. COOK, 504 Walton Street, Wilson, North Carolina
27893: 'I would like to know more about an engine I have. It is
an Ideal mfg. by Ideal Engine Co. Lansing, Michigan USA S/N 16920,
4 HP, Type M, Speed 375 to 475. When was this engine produced? What
was the original paint color and was there any pin striping or not?
This engine looks like a Novo engine (vertical) but has an oval
hopper. It is all complete and is a hit and miss type engine. I
hope to have it running soon.
'I'm also interested in learning about the - of the Cook
Gasoline Engine. I don't have a Cook engine but I'd like to
know what HP were built, what they looked like, and what the engine
MRS. HOWARD LORD, RR#1, Box 108 AA, Burnettsville, Indiana 47926
sends the following note and poem as a tribute to her husband:
'Thought this poem I've written might fit in your
GEM which my husband enjoys so much. I've lost
count of the tractors Howard has restored for himself, as well as
others. I must admit, I've been doubtful at times, when I see
those old tractors hauled, pulled, or however they manage to get
them to him; but the results truly amaze me.
'This is more than a hobby or a job to my husband. Many
proud and satisfied fellows can testify to that.'
KEEPING THOSE OLD TRACTORS ALIVE
Call it what you may,
why this man toils away.
On a tractor, long ready for the heap.
With a gleam in his eye.
His old sander sitting by.
He'll attack that ole junker with a leap.
Dedicated to the core.
He must see something more.
You can bet, he recalls yesterdays.
When its paint is shining new.
And the engine purring too.
Toiled away till the job was through.
Missing parts he sets out,
for a search with no doubt.
Gonna be worth the fixing, and the time.
Seen the look in his eye.
That in the near by and by.
Every thing is going to turn out just fine.
Watched this man, tired and still,
like a sculptor.
Molds and builds every stroke for perfection he strives.
Cause the dream in his heart,
inch by inch, part by part.
Just to keep that old tractor alive.
Some short but very important letters come from different areas
and I'm sure you'll be interested in contents and in
assistance... AL RINGSTAD, 1471 N.E. Madison Road, Poulsbo,
Washington 98730 has a 5 HP one lung water-cooled gas engine, 4
cycle, 5 inch bore. Says it looks like the paint was red. Flywheels
28'. Only identification is S/N on the water jacket on brass
plate reads: Eng. No. 230140 R.P.M. 425 HP 5E ... TED GAIDELIS, 1
West Hodges Street, Norton, Massachusetts 02766 has a small Tuttle
internal make and break vertical engine mfg. in New York in the
late 1800 to early 1900s. Would appreciate any kind of information.
... KEITH E. TUCKER, 516 E. Marion Street, Converse, Indiana 46919
has a 5 HP Waterloo Boy kerosene engine and would like year of mfg.
S/N is 205264. He's appreciate other info as well. ... BOB
STRANKEY, RR #3, Fort Dodge, Iowa 50501 wants to correspond with
anyone having information on Doodle Bug motor scooters made in the
40's and 50's. ... BEN RHOADS, Route 1, Box 68, Buna, Texas
77612,409-994-2776 has a 5 HP air-cooled Bovaird & Seyfond
vertical engine. It is a very rare engine for that part of the
country. He needs help as to type of mag, hot tube size, etc. and
would like to correspond with anyone who can help him. ... BERTRAM
ADAMS, Route l00n, Wilmington, Vermont 05363 needs to know color
and pinstriping for the 5 HP Galloway. Serial number is 19228.
This picture has been hiding in the files and should have hit
the column afore this time, I'd sayit comes from JOHN
RASMUSSEN, 6750 Rattalee Lake Road, Clarkston, Michigan 48016.
That's John trying to twist on an old Cat Thirty that resides
in the woods near Custer, Michigan. Says that the white blanket
covering the Cat isn't cotton or white sand. (Pretty winter
picture though, John).
Anyone out there know of an organization called National
Antique Tractor Pullers Association? If so, what
is the address? These questions come from FRANK BLASKOVICH, JR.,
2525 War wood A Venue, Wheeling, West Virginia 26003 and frankly,
we too, would like to know.
Frank's letter continues: 'I am already a member of the
N.T.P.A. but their records only go back to 1969. Where or who would
one contact in order to obtain data or photos of old tractors in
pulling competition? My main interest is in International and John
Deere from approximately the mid 20's until 1960. Hope someone
will be able to help.'
'I enjoy reading every issue of GEM, '
comment PAUL D. FALK, 1038 Oakland, Topeka, Kansas 66616.
Continuing the letter: 'My 13 year old son, Russell, and I
have just started collecting old gas engines. I am sending two
pictures of the engines we have we know very little about them.
Engine No. 2 has no name on it but the I.D. plate reads: Engine
No. 362135. We would like help on both engines, the age of both,
the make of Engine No. 2, and any help that can be given.'
(Some new engine enthusiasts. Guys, help them get
An interesting item coming up in the future date your calendar,
you may be interested as PATRICIA A. HAAS, President, Westminster
Historical Society, RD #3, Box 64, Putney, Vermont 05346 writes:
'The Westminster Historical Society of Westminster, Vermont is
preparing to honor the Abenaque Machine Company and their engine
during the last weekend of August 1985. We plan to host a gas
engine meet with special attention to the Abenaque. We are hoping
the owners of these unique engines will make a special effort to
We have hopes of publishing a booklet on the company and the
engine. Our research is going slowly, but surely. With luck, we
should be able to reproduce a manual and a catalog.
There hasn't been an Abenaque engine in our town for
sometime, at least as far as we can ascertain. We have been lucky
in finding a 1903 5 HP for which we hope to raise funds allowing us
to donate it to the town. Our committee is in the process of
restoring the engine. As far as we can determine, it is in original
Should anyone out there like to give us advice on our engine, or
some historical information or anecdote, we would be most grateful.
If you are interested in the meet to be held in the future, do send
us your name and address.' (We wish you well with the
project you have undertaken other towns have also done honor to
engines manufactured locally.)
'I am new at the hobby of collecting old engines and really
enjoy GEM,' comments JOHN MORGAN, JR., Route
1, Saltville, Virginia 24370.
'This summer I managed to get two old engines, neither of
which were running. Both were complete, but stuck. I now have one
of them running. It is a Friend, S/N DX6374 with a pump on it. The
other is an International Famous, vertical tank-cooled 2 HP, S/N
KA17842. As soon as one of your advertisers gets the ignition to it
rebuilt, I think it will fire up.
If anyone could tell me the proper color for these engines, what
year they were made and the HP of the Friend, I would appreciate
it. (Again, referring to C. H. Wendel's American Gasoline
Engines Since 1872, we find that the DX model was rated at 4
'Enclosed are two snaps of my 2 HP Fairbanks Morse engine,
S/N 871135 Type Z, (1945) according to Wayne Grenning's list of
March/April 1982 issue,' says ANDREW W. DOLAN C.R.T., Box 41,
Newcastle, N.B. Canada E1V-3MZ.
'I restored my engine according to a 1929 instruction
booklet in which it called the engine a 1 HP. Somewhere the HP
increased slightly to 2 HP. However, I cannot find out when this
increase took place.
The motor is mounted on pine skids. The printing on the skids
was done with 'Letraset'. My trade is a mechanical
draftsman designer, so I have to do a good printing job! It is
sitting on a large elm tree stump the tree had fallen victim to the
Dutch elm disease.
'On one side of the skid I have printed: Fairbanks-Morse 2
HP Flywheel 1500 RPM Camshaft 750 RPM. On the other side:
Fairbanks-Morse 'Z' Engine Style 'D'. I have
restored a F-M 1 HP (Z) some time ago and am now working on a 6 HP
BILL ORR, Route 12, Box 41, Dothan, Alabama 36303 tells us:
'I have recently acquired an engine and am in need of
information about it. It is a Detroit horizontal 4 stroke S/N 1658
with a 4' bore and 6' stroke. I need to know year of mfg.,
I enjoy your magazine and look forward to hearing from your
'I am looking for the date of manufacture of my
Fairbanks-Morse 6 HP 450 RPM S/N 584130.
Also, I have a Fairbanks-Morse water pump S/N T 37410 with a
6' x 10' bore and stroke. The pump sits alongside the
engine and is gear-driven. I haven't been able to find any
information on it. I purchased these two engines from an old friend
on the west shore of Lake Tahoe and he said the pump engine ran
there for many years pumping water for a resort. Any help will be
greatly appreciated,' declares CHUCK McCLURE, 12716 Douglas
Street, Yucaipa, California 92399.
Needing information on the engines he describes is MONTE
SHOCKMAN, 5021 Peg Street, Boise, Idaho 83705: 'Just starting
to enjoy my second year of GEM. I recently
acquired four engines from one person this past Labor Day.
The three on the left are B & S, FHs and WMB, but the one on
the right has me puzzled. It resembles a Model FH Briggs &
Stratton. It is 16' high. Base has filler plugs for gas and
oil. Bore 2'. It has an aluminum air shroud with #LVB 790 on
the inside of it. The engine itself has the #VB 2734 on a square
plate at the base of the engine. It has a Wico mag in the flywheel
with #011510 on the tag. Mag is type FGA. One of the filler plugs
for the gas tank has letters TB on it. The man I bought it from
said it was a Clinton. An engine fan said it was a Sattley that was
made for Montgomery Ward by Nelson Bros. It has an oil pump like a
FH Briggs. It also has two outside push rods.
Just a week ago I bought another engine much like it only it has
an outside gas tank and a Tillotson carburetor. The engine is #VSG
1304 with #2VB 190 on the outside of the cast aluminum engine
shroud. It also has outside pushrods and a 2' bore. It was
running in a couple of days but the governor is messed up and I
don't know how it connects to the carb. I will have to re-ring
this one because it smokes real bad and doesn't have much
compression. They both have a starting crank that lifts up on a
half moon ratchet on the left side. Any help or literature will be
My friend, Bill Sherwood, and I just spent eight days at the
Western Idaho Fair here in Boise and were able to display some of
our restored engines. We received free passes for our families and
were reiumbursed for our gas and oil. We displayed 13 engines and
equipment including his 5 HP Witte diesel, 1935? model which we
need information on and my Kinkade garden tractor (see picture). My
Kinkade is about a 1938 model S/N 309L 1724. We took these two
machines to Brooke, Oregon last July and got many good comments on
During the fair a man gave me a 1 HP Economy. He said, 'If
you can make it run and look as good as the rest you have restored,
it's yours.' It's in pretty sad shape but it will turn
over. A few parts are missing and broken, but I have high hopes for
it. Any information on the above will be greatly appreciated.
I want to thank all the guys who answered my questions in a
previous GEM. I wasn't able to answer them but
their information really helped.'
In closing, I wish for you all the very best and a friend sent
this following poem which has much wisdom and caring for those who
are to follow us. I'm sure you will enjoy it, and please think
about it. It comes from FLOYD MATHES, 4238 East Avenue, Livermore,
An old man traveling a lone highway,
Came at the evening, cold and gray,
To a chasm vast, and deep, and wide.
The old man crossed in the twilight dim,
The sullen stream had no terror for him.
But he turned when safe on the other side,
And built a bridge to span the tide.
'Old man,' said a fellow pilgrim near,
'You're wasting your strength building here:
Your journey will end with the ending day,
You never again will pass this way,
You've crossed the chasm deep and wide,
Why build a bridge to span the tide?'
The builder lifted his old gray head
'Good friend, in the path I have come,' he said,
'There follow eth after me today a youth
A youth whose feet must pass this way.
This chasm which has been as naught to me,
To that fair-haired youth may a pitfall be:
He, too, must cross in the twilight dim,
Good friend, lam building this bridge for him.'
Love Ya All! Let your hopes soar in '84. Keep the letters